SPACE 1/SPACE - Library 1 - Volume 1.iso/games/361/por.txt

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Message 1         Sun Jan 22, 1989
C.MULLER


 I haven't gotten that far yet but it involves using the transporters
 trying looking for something to put in the transporter before you go
 I think it resets it (this from memory for a message I read so its
 not 100%).

 Has anyone found the princess if so how worthwhile is she as an NPC?
 What are her stats, alignment and class?

 Thanks,

 Chris.
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Message 2         Mon Jan 23, 1989
J.BRYANT5 [Phoenix]

To change the setting of the teleporters in the maze in the pyramid, you
must first throw a stone through. This sets the teleporter (assuming you
are given the option) to its secondary target location. The object is to
only use the teleporters that you can control, the others are just  traps
that move you to different parts of the maze. The princess is a Barbarian
fighter and a strong one to boot. I don't remember her stats but you
probabily wont need to because she leaves soon after you find her. She is
in the prison area of the Kobald Caves. As for the Fine Composite bows, I
found 2 pair of Gauntlets Of Ogre Power in the game and this gave my
players a chance to really use the composite bows. The speed increace of
the 386 machine will only be so much. I played on a IBM 386 machine though
it was faster than the 50's it was not as  fast as would be expected
because you still have to watch the video  routines of the battles, and
this REALLY slows the battles down. I would warn however that thought the
battles are slow beware that you dont mis some of the critical messages
that may flash by on a 386. I  missed some and had to redue a section to
find out what I  missed.
             Best of Luck
                       Phoenix
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Message 3         Tue Jan 31, 1989
SCORPIA

I've been asked for advice on this game, but since I haven't played it,
I'm posting this message here. Does anyone have any tips/tricks/techniques
for removing (permamently) the troll/ogre combination in the slums?

5MM      Wed Feb 01, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]
I finally found the IBM version and it took 18 !!!! minutes to install. I
used save game A (the included characters) and thought my first battle
which I blundered into while trying to view my different characters was
great !!! I slaughtered 2 orcs before my mage put MY group to sleep !! I
have to remember to aim sleep spells !! Needless to say, I never made it
to my second battle! This game is great!! Praise Odin I only have to
install this game once on my AT with a hard drive.... forget playing this
on a PC with floppies!!! I enjoyed the combat and can't wait to meet the
75 zombies in the grave- d*s
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Message 5         Sun Feb 05, 1989
J.BRYANT5 [Phoenix]

I am not shure what exactly you mean by perminantly removing the
troll/ogre combination from the slums. I found that for some encounters I
could just run away and the encounter would not reapear. This helped if
you want to get guarded goodies but are to week to actually win the battle
with the guards. You won't get any of the goodies that the guards were
carring. Hope this helps. If not drop me a note with any questions you
have.

                             ---------- Phoenix
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Message 6         Mon Feb 06, 1989
SCORPIA
Well Phoenix, according to what I've heard from someone else who played
the game, if you don't kill all the trolls fast enough, they start coming
back to life again, and they're tough customers. That's what I meant by
"permanently removing them". In any case, a friend of mine was able to
offer some advice I could pass along.

              Best,
               - Scorpia
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Message 7         Sun Feb 12, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]
Well, I formed my own gruop of characters and that was how I got the
guided tour of PHlan !!! Forget using the included party !!! I was kicking
fanny in the slums when my magic user got waxed with one blow...I did not
have enough gold to resurrect her, so I dropped her (in a ditch), but
cannot figure out how to roll up a new magic-user and add her to the
group. helpppp!! I have the IBM version. Can I do this ???
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Message 8         Sun Feb 12, 1989
W.MASSEY3

I use the Commodore version but to roll up a character of a particular
aclass you have to have the die rolls for that class high enough to get
that class.  The computer will give you a list of the types you can  have
with a particular set of atti tibutes. Magic Users have to be high in
wisdom and dexterity.  Just keep rolling until you get a set that gives
you what you want.
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Message 9         Tue Feb 14, 1989
C.MULLER

 Go to the training halls, go to one of the training rooms say YES
 when they ask if you wish to train and the Create Modify Drop Add etc.
 menu will come up and you can make and add a new PC.

 Chris.
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Message 10        Wed Feb 15, 1989
C.MULLER

 Well I have recently restarted on my 386 and combat is soooo much
 nicer.  It takes 1-2 seconds per move for my enemies now instead of
 up to 30 seconds for some of the longer moves.  The VGA monitor also
 sharpens up the EGA graphics quite a bit.  I have created a new
 party with more (3 to be exact) single class characters I only had
 one in my last party and I found the progress to be a little too
 slow, but fighter/mage fighter/thief combos are still useful.  I
 only wish they had Arcana rules so I could have included a nice
 Fighter/Cleric or even real AD&D rules so I could've had a Paladin
 or a ranger instead of a boring fighter, oh well!

 Back to the dungeons...

 Chris.
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Message 11        Sat Feb 18, 1989
R.WILLIS5 [raistlin]

Hello, I am a C-64 user of POL and have enjoyed it greatly-graphics are
excelent and moves and combat do not take an ove excesive time, though I
often have time to read between My moves , you do not have to watch them.
As for me, I have cleared out Sokal Keep,the Slums(execpt for one small
area), Kutos Well, and am working on the surrounding areas, I have two
questions-

I have levels of 6-3, how do I beat the Stupid trolls-even with flasks
also, what is the secret word for the undead in sokal keep, they are a
realy time taker, plus, what does the elfs mesage mean?
please tell me , those Trolls are my BIGGEST problem!

             raistlin
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Message 12        Sat Feb 18, 1989
C.MULLER

 Wow those are some high levels for where you've been!  Anyway if
 one of those sixth level characters is a mage (and I think a pure
 mage - only one - is VERY useful) then nail them with a fireball.
 If you don't have that option get a hero from the training hall
 for the front line and a mage for the back line and then kill the
 trolls and ONLY the trolls first with ranged weapons and spells and
 put your strongest fighters on the one troll who can engage you in
 melee.  You may want to cast a hold person on the ogres so they will
 just be helpless sheild between you and the trolls.  If you fight more
 than one troll at a time in melee you're history in most cases.  I
 think you get the idea.

 As for the password, the dead elf is the key here translate the words
 and try them out...

 I'm about to go to Zentil Keep then the Lizard Men and then to
 the Castle!  This game is VERY enjoyable if you have a machine that
 has some power - meaning a 286 or above and a fast EGA or VGA board
 helps and a hard drive is a must!  Assuming you have the above as I
 do I'd rate this game a 9 on a scale of 1-10 for those people who
 have played and enjoyed the AD&D system as I have.  I still wish
 they would've included more classed, oh well.  In any case the combat
 is conducted exactly as you would do it on a hex map with figures,
 you have full control its the best combat I've seen.  The other thing
 is the "feel" of the game, anyone who has played an AD&D module will
 recognize as early as the slums this "feel" of a good AD&D module.
 If you have a good IBM type machine or are patient and like AD&D
 don't miss this game!

 Later,

 Chris.

 Oops on line 22 classed should read classes...
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Message 13        Mon Feb 20, 1989
C.MULLER
 Well, I'm finished!  I can't wait for the next one to come out.
 From Falcon AT to Sentinel Worlds to Pools of Radiance my 386 with
 VGA graphics have made all games VERY fast and easy to play.  In
 practical terms all fun, and no wait!

 To think I started playing this game on an Atari ST with PC Ditto
 running at 20% of PC(4.77) speed!  Now I can judge a game based on
 the game itself not on disk access and redraw time etc., and based
 on the game itself I think Pools of Radiance is alot of fun for
 anyone who likes AD&D.  For those of you with slow machines and no
 patience you may find this game moves to slow, but if you like
 real combat (and combats of this size would take a LONG time if
 played by real players in an AD&D game) and the feel of AD&D don't
 miss this one.

 Later,

 Chris.
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Message 14        Sat Feb 25, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]

There are 2 BAAADDDD rooms to pick the lock on in the slums... The archers
take out my cleric and magic user first every time !!! What is the best
method to handle these 2 rooms ?? y party is still first level. It seems
that at least 2 mages and 2 clerics are necessary to your party. Any
suggestions?
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Message 15        Sat Feb 25, 1989
C.MULLER

 As far as mages go you can never get enough although I would recommend
 no more than one true mage.  The rest should be fighter/mages.  As
 for having two clerics it is very useful early in the game and in
 the Graveyard, but otherwise I find a pure fighter or a figther/mage
 much more useful.  What I did was create one pure cleric and then
 used the acolyte hireling until I got so rich (at about 3rd or 4th
 level) that I did ALL my healing at the temples anyway and my cleric
 became nothing more than a poor fighter.  I also brought my NPC
 cleric when I went to the Graveyard (using Dirten would be a good
 idea  too - you'll meet him later).  Otherwise, I used Skullcrusher
 as my 4th frontline man with 3 men in the back.  I prefer a party
 size of 7, 6 PCs one NPC I find the 8th player to be (in most cases)
 extraneous and it further divides experience that could go to your PCs.

 As for enemy archers try moving your PCs into the range of a sleep
 spell (about 4 or 5 squares at your level) and cast it on the archers
 that should do the trick.  It also helps if you have at least 2 archers
 of your own in the back ranks.  If you have anyone in the back ranks
 who can't fire missle weapons or spells you've mad a bad choice.  I
 would advise against a pure theif because I found it almost impossible
 to backstab and that is the thief's most useful combat ability.  Use
 a combination thief foa better pty.

 Good Luck,

 Chris.
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Message 16        Mon Feb 27, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

while i just got this game today, and cleared you the slums, sokal keep,
and the catacombs. i also killed an undead liege creating more undead in
the grave yard. i also finished the podol plaza mission, but haven't
cleared it... i like the message it gave me when i destroyed the pitt.
also i killed the podol version of the temple of bane. in the graveyard i
was drained, so i need to
 get a restoration spell. where do you get these? i was stoned in the
library, but i think i found all the nessecary books... in the graveyard
what do you need to do other than killing the spectar? (on trolls in rope
guild i used sleep and then hacked my way through with my level 2
characters) in the sokal keep i found that an effective stratagy is to
hide behind the west wall and use arrows to pick off the goblin chiefs as
they cross over. then concentrate on the other monsters. how do you clear
kuto's well block? i cleared the well itself, but need to know where to go
to clear the rest of the block. also where can i get some magic user
scrolls? why do some long bows sell for 10 gold and others for 25? where
can i get some magic arrows or other magic items? thanks for the help
(hint hint hint)...
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Message 17        Sun Mar 05, 1989
G.MORRISON1

Let's see,  I'm trying to find the silver bottle in the kobold lair; I
combed every inch of that place and couldn't find it.  Whee is it? Also,
is there a real vampire?  I found bones, but is there another?
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Message 18        Sun Mar 05, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

silver bottle? well i found the lair eventually, and got an efreet bottle
if that's what you meant... where is the vampire anyway?
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Message 19        Wed Mar 08, 1989
G.MORRISON1

  Where'd you find the2efreet bottle?  I searched all over, I found the
treasure in the secret room, and the treasure in the wyvern lair, but no
bottle...  the dragon is getting impatient with me!

In Valhingen cemetery, (did you clear the whole place?)  I found a note
detailing the killing of the vampire by a previous adventurrer... I think
his bones (vampire's) are in the cross-shaped building in the NE corner of
the cemetery...  to get there, you have to have cleqared out all the other
monsters; the path is heavily guareded by w wights, but if you have high-
level characters, you caqan manage it...

What I want to know is is there another live vampire I'm supposed to kill?

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Message 20        Wed Mar 08, 1989
R.CUNANAN

How many female are ideal for a party of six?
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Message 21        Wed Mar 08, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

you kill the old vampire (remember to DESTROY that coffin!) also, it
starts out wounded from the last fight it had (again, coffin was broken...
but not destroyed, ev idently the vampire had the spectres create zombies
to destroy the holy
 symbols thereby allowing it to live). i fought the vampire twice, and
killed him, but couldn't get the effrettie out of the bottle. i also
completed the quest for the bottle, and found a lizard castle in the ne
part of the swamp/forest. about ideal characters, i had 1 female human
mage, 1 male human mage,1 dwarf fighter/thief, 1 human cleric, and 2 human
fighters. good luck, and remember to SCRIBE scrolls so you can learn new
spells.
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Message 22        Wed Mar 08, 1989
C.MULLER

You find the vampire in the NE corner of the graveyard at first, at which
point you battle him (if you have the bottle the Efreeti will fight for
you).  If you are victorious he retreats to his coffin in the cross-shaped
room.  If you have done something to the coffin he will be unable to enter
his coffin and will be there when you  arrive.  Here you must battle him
again and one you defeat him the graveyard is cleared, and you can collect
your reward in town.

As for females I found gender to have absolutely no affect in this game
but I had two females anyway just for variety.  There are certain classes
(e.g. cleric and mage) where you lose nothing by using a  female
character, so I figured better safe than sorry.  Maybe in one of the
future modules it will make a difference.  In any case, it does give you a
little variety in choosing character pictures and icons as there were very
few acceptable choices in either catagory and having a female or two made
it easier to have more unique pictures and icons.  However, I strongly
recommend that under no circumstances do you use a female fighter, losing
that percentile strength is not worth having a pretty picture.  As far as
fighters and AD&D are  concerned ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE which leaves
women out (no offense Scorpia!) at least in reguards to the fighter class
in AD&D.

I don't remember where exactly I found the bottle, I think it was after I
defeated the Kobold king, but I'm not sure... In any case, it wasn't
hidden or anything, it shouldn't be hard to find.

Later,

Chris
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Message 23        Thu Mar 09, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

yes, but how do you get the bottle to work?!?!?!? i tried readying it and
using it to no avail. the bottle is near the kobold treasure hoard, not
far from it infact! amazing you missed it
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Message 24        Thu Mar 09, 1989
G.MORRISON1

I found the lizard castle and had a big battle with the lizards above
ground I thought I cleared the castle, but got no reward at town for
clearing them... Someone mentioned something about not killing lizards in
the pyramid... How is this supposed to come oiut?  I think I killed them
before... What hapen, er is supposed to happen?
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Message 25        Fri Mar 10, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

where are the nomads? where are the bucceneers?
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Message 26        Fri Mar 10, 1989
BARRACUDA

Information: The Apple ][ version of P.O.R. has finally been released. For
me, it wasn't worth the wait. The game comes on 8 5-1/4" disk sides (4
disks) with a code wheel, manual, story/guide book, etc. The disks are not
copy protected and should copy with a normal utility, but are _not_ a
standard OS. As near as I can tell, SSI used RDOS, a nonstandard DOS 3.3
variant. You guessed it. No hard disk/ramdisk installation. Starting the
game required 6 disk swaps before the title screen came up on an Apple
//e.
     Graphics were marginally acceptable, considering that they looked
like standard Hi-res on the monitor I had available. Probably not playable
in monochrome. An accelerator chip/card or a GS (perhaps also with an
accelerator) helps a great deal (for myself I'd call it mandatory).
     Also, in keeping with the Apple version of Dungeon Master's Asst., I
saw a couple of mispellings within the first few screens... not a very
good sign for what lies within.

Recommendation: Try it before you buy it. You'll probably want an
accelerator of some type in whatever machine you run it on. If you hate
swapping disks, stay clear. (I didn't buy it...)
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Message 27        Fri Mar 10, 1989
IMP

Just wondering here...I am 'pose to start by clearing out the slums right?
<grin>

Imp

Ps Yeah Scorp...I broke down and installed it on my hard drive...I'm going
through game withdrawls <grin>. I moved and left my gaming group
behind..So it goes...<Grin>

Later...

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Message 28        Fri Mar 10, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

i'm using the apple version and i'd say it's fast, and i have no
accelerator card. no, the slums journal entry is a red herring, instead
you go to sorceror's isle to start <grin>
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Message 29        Sat Mar 11, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ahuramazda]

     (sigh) I've been playing on my C-64 for 2 months now...any word on
Amiga   release?????  I've been dying to see this on the amiga, and
praying that disk   reading is faster on the amiga, than on my 64.  Oh,
since alot of people have been jiving about the trolls...Kill anything
besides them first(Pay heed to   their size), then when the bodies are in
place, just run up there, and start  bashing trolls.  I attacked one at a
time, usually destroying each of them with only one melee.  Seemed to
work.  Thats all I know, so just bash 'em after the friends they got with
'em, and you'll be all set.

P.S. Any word on the Amiga release?????  How about Hillsfar?
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Message 30        Sat Mar 11, 1989
R.CUNANAN
IF you get injured in battle and lose hit points,will normal rest in ca mp
heal you or do you have to use CURE LIGHT WOUNDS spell?
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Message 31        Sat Mar 11, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

rest in camp for one hour and you'll gain 1 hit point. oops, make that 1
day per hit point.
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Message 32        Sun Mar 12, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

i'm in the keep and being attacked by the guards, how do i get out?
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Message 33        Mon Mar 13, 1989
C.MULLER

 Run like he.. for the front gates, I think they are to the north.

 Later,

 Chris.
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Message 34        Sun Mar 19, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]

i just decided to start over from the begining with multi classed
characters, since they are much more useful at low levels, but i want to
know, will hillsfar have more spell levels? i sure hope so! but then again
i'd have to reactivate
 my original party...
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Message 35        Thu Mar 30, 1989
W.ARMSHAW

Hi there. I just purchased POR last week and am not quite decided yet
wether to be dissappointed or not.
 Im stuck in a few places though. !) The Troll room in the slums; is it
impossible for level 2 characters? 2) Unfortunately when I couldn't finish
the slums I went on to Kuto's Well and then to Mendor's Library.  In the
library I found alot of Magic stuff(potions,ect.) and books. but when I
tried to leave Mendor's specter attacks me.
 with only level 1 and 2 level characters I have no chance of killing it
and Im saved inside so I can't get out!  should I drop the books?! Later,
can I get them back? Any help would be greatly appreaciated.


                                            Matthew Armshaw
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Message 36        Thu Mar 30, 1989
IMP

I Cleared the trolls after about 3 days of trying...Just give everyone
who's not on the front line bows or slings <Grin>.  As for the lib. Don't
know haven't gone there.

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Message 37        Thu Mar 30, 1989
C.MULLER

Use all the magic and magic weapons you can muster - sleep to memorize
spells if necessary (magic missle or shocking grasp) and even second
levels characters should be able to defeat the spectre eventually.  As for
dropping the books you can't because they are not inventory items...sorry.

Chris.
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Message 38        Thu Mar 30, 1989
J.M.MESA

I just finished POR a few days ago.  Overall I give the game a 6.5 on a
scale of 10.  I found the plot extremely thin, and I can't remember a
single combat that I didn't use quick combat on after clearing the
slums(this includes  the storming of Stojanow gate, the castle, and even
the final encounter!). The only reason that I was able to finish it is
that the game play on my 386 is very fast(I quit and reload the game in
less than 5 seconds).  I am sure that if I played the game on a regular PC
or AT that I could not have endured the arduous dela that SSI has a good
base to work from but I am looking forward to a much improved and more
interesting sequel.

Later, JM.
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Message 39        Fri Mar 31, 1989
G.MORRISON1 [Zaron]

  What do I do in the lizard man lair?  I am stumped on this one...
Someone said earlier something about the lizards in the pyramid?  How do
they relate?
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Message 40        Sun Apr 02, 1989
R.WILLIS5 [raistlin]         (Forwarded)

HELP! I cannot defeat the TROLLS! Please  give me some advice, I have no-
one high enough to cast fireball-what should I do?
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Message 41        Sun Apr 02, 1989
C.MULLER                     (Forwarded)

I left a message on how to defeat the trolls a while back, read thru the
last half of the messages and you;ll find it.

Chris
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Message 42        Mon Apr 03, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ahuramazda]         (Forwarded)

     (sigh)  DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE AMIGA VERSION IS COMING
OUT????????????
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Message 43        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

Trolls!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ARE TOUGH!!!

You will need spells...Stinking Cloud or Fireball to put these guys
under... Good front line bowmen with +1 arrows are needed...Try to have a
party with missle weapons... everyone should have missle weapons...(Gnod
fighters in front are a necessity....

Most of all you need luck..... End the game as soon as possible.  Be
agressive... Finish them quick... and get out...
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Message 44        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

MORE ON TROLLS IN THE SLUMS and elsewhere (ie the Kobald Caves)

If you wait to heal your group after (between battles) the trolls will get
back up...Timing is therefore very important.... Get out of the encounter
as soon as you can.... Nothing I have found keeps the trolls down
forever..... So timing and luck.... save the game before the encounter....
keep trying!!!!  If they are too tough....  Go out and strengthen your
haracters before you come back.... SSI says that 1st and 2nd level
characters are too week to take out the trolls....
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Message 45        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

The Library......

I hope you have saved the game before you went into the library.... Level
2 characters can not take on a specter without disasterous results.. No
you can not pick up the books later....  No you can not drop the books....
Yes you can start over before you entered the library and develop your
characters to a hilgher level ... and come back.... by the way how did you
like the gorgon in the NE of the library--nice cloak.....
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Message 46        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

The Efriti (silver?) bottle....

You should not have to open it at all!!!???? Something is seriously
wrong...  When I used it several times...I liked to kill this vamp went
back 4 or 5 times and did it....  Tyr anthraxis is fun also....
Anyway.....

The bottle is found in the NE of the KObald caves in the treasure room.
after killing the kings guards...  You will walk through a door where  the
king has fallen into a spiked pit trap (his own trap) you will see two
doors to your east one on the north and one on the south... Go through the
north door, turn to the right and viola (a little french) you will find
the elusive bottle.  Effreti Samovar will get upset with you... Do not
fight him and carry him into battle with the VAMP...
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Message 47        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

FEMALE Characters

Scorpia has noted at one point that female characters are a drawback in
this game....  I do like female prestesses and have two beauties... But
fighters are best as humans as are most other characters (That should read
best as male humans!!!) No chauvenist overtones intended....  I like
women, I do .......... <best exit this one quickly>  <poof>
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Message 48        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

Paladins and other mixed characters:

I find it very anoying that one can not have mixed characters such as the
human Paladin... Perhaps the character is too powerful???? Paladins do not
violate the original D&D rules.  Why can we not have these very useful and
versitile characters????

Also I find it anoying that there are limited levels for elves and half-
elves....  Many games played with these characters have special
circumstances th that allows progression beyond the limits??? I believe
that characters of multiple professions adds depth to tHE GAME!

What do you say?????
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Message 49        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

Hillsfar has been released according to Brad at SSI for the C64 and IBM
get your copy today....  Our store is on automatic order for the product
from Electronic Arts...  We do not have it as of today for the IBM. EA has
promissed us that it is in the mail for the IBM.... I can not wait.
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Message 50        Sun Apr 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

Is there an IBM character editor availabel for this game....  Perhaps I
could get a paladin that way....

Answer respectfully requested to this one????!!!

A glitch in the program allowed me to get a Druid 138/1/1/1 level D D D D
Daccording to the view of the
character with a -82 AC (armour class).  Unfortunately the game bombed
after that point....
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Message 51        Sun Apr 23, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

AG, I think you need to fix your backspace key which doesn't seem to be
working properly.

By the way, I found it isn't necessary to kill the trolls in the Rope
Guild in order to clear the slums.

             Best,
              - Scorpia
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Message 52        Sun Apr 23, 1989
MYRDHYN [Denybar]            (Forwarded)

     hehe, but it sure gives you some experience.  I took them out with
First Level characters...SSI must have a bad cliche thinking they're too
weak.
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Message 53        Mon Apr 24, 1989
G.MORRISON1 [Zaron]          (Forwarded)

You killed trolls with 1st level guys??  Wow, I think I left them and went
back at 3rd or 4th. I finally killed Tyranthraxus.  I was so close before,
I got into his castle a long time ago and then missed the secret door...
How can you clean the slums without killing the trolls?  I can't... Trolls
aren't that bad, just take peresistence.  Save before the battle, and keep
doing the battle over 'til you get lucky  :)
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Message 54        Mon Apr 24, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

I suppose because I killed everything else in the slums the game decided
that the area had been cleared out. In fact I kinda forgot about the
trolls and didn't go back to off them until after I'd finished the game.

               Best,
                - Scorpia
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Message 55        Mon Apr 24, 1989
R.GREELEY                    (Forwarded)

I just got the Apple II version and am very disappointed in the time it
takes to accomplish anything.  The interface is about the worst I have
seen in a long time, although the game may turn out to be good.  From the
descriptions I have seen earlier in this topic, it sounds like the Apple
version must have been severely pruned back to make it fit on four disks.
Does anyone know a way to put the Apple II version on hard disk, or is
there a possibility of a IIGS specific version that can be put on hard
disk. I don't really see a reasonable way to play this if disk swapping
and rebooting take forever.  Thanks.                - Doc -
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Message 56        Mon Apr 24, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Doc, your best bet is to call SSI direct and ask them about it. My guess,
however, is that you're pretty much stuck with what you have.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 57        Mon Apr 24, 1989
F.GRUBB [BLACKGUARD]         (Forwarded)

Has anyone heard about WHEN the Atari ST version is due?  I know it is
coming but I'm still waiting!  I'm anxious to play, and go to my local
computer store every week.  Ah, well.

Blackguard
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Message 58        Mon Apr 24, 1989
S.COX6 [CragTheHack]         (Forwarded)

Concerning Trolls,
  If you're having problem with Trolls, you might try this:
  Go back to the hiring halls and enlist a hero.  Equip
  him/her with a good bow and arrows and ready his/her arrows
 sot that he/she can provide range fire.  In this battle the
  Trolls are behind the Orges, so defeat the Trolls first.
  Just have eveybody fire arrows and spells untill the trolls
  go down.  Then kill off the Orges fast.  Trolls do get back up
  so you better kill the Orges fast.  Also, you can always
  push the Orges back (if this is possible) and stand on the
  square the troll has occupied, the troll can't get back
  up if you're standing on him.  Hold and sleep spells are basiclly
  useless here.  Try throwing Missle spells and Strength spells.
  Also, make sure you have your toughest fighters on the front line.
  Cause they're gonna take a serious beating from the Orges before
  those Trolls go down.  Also, SAVE, SAVE!
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Message 59        Mon Apr 24, 1989
S.COX6 [CragTheHack]         (Forwarded)

A side note,
  Who defeated the Trolls with 1st level chars?  I thought
  that was impossible.  Mine were 3rd level, and I had
  problems.  Whoever did it, mine hat's off to you. -Crag
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Message 60        Wed Apr 26, 1989
IMP                          (Forwarded)

I beat the trolls with all my chars being first level except one and he
was second.  Course I also had 2 warriors from the hall and it took me a
week and 1/2 to do it.

Imp

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Message 61        Thu Apr 27, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Well, I bet you couldn't have done it without the two heros from the
halls.  A week and a 1/2, goodness!
  A quick question, does anybody know a sure fire way of killing
 the undead patrols on Sokal Keep.  They keep coming, and I can't
 fined a place to rest and heal my guys and gals.  They've
 taken an alful beating.  I'm going to have to leave cause
 I'm afraid they might not last through the next fight.
  Is there a safe place to rest in Sokal Keep?
  Thanks- Crag
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Message 62        Thu Apr 27, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Crag, you don't have to fight the undead patrols if you know the right
thing to say. Did you search around before you entered the keep?

             Best,
              - Scorpia
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Message 63        Fri Apr 28, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Scorpia,
  If you're talking about the dead elf, yeap, I found him.
  And I got the right words, but which one.  Maybe it's all of them.
  They must be some kind of pass word.  I'll try them.
  With my luck it'll be the last one I chose, and I'm not too sure
  if my party can last till I try the frist two.  Ol'well maybe
  I'l get lcuky and it'll be the first one.
  When and where can I rest in the keep?
  Thanks for the help, Scorpia
  -Crag
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Message 64        Fri Apr 28, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]             (Forwarded)

it isn't lum
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Message 65        Sun Apr 30, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

You must've tried LUM, hey,#{viCategory 25,  Topic 3
Message 66        Tue May 02, 1989
E.DOYLE1 [Kevin]             (Forwarded)

nope, i noticed that it was more than three characters long, so i tried
one of the 7 character passwords. i got it right. p.s. isn't lum for the
spectre in the church? and the spectres in the nw wing?
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Message 67        Wed May 03, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

You know, you might be right.  I'm gonna try it.  I never
 thought of using a password with the spectre.  It sure would
 save me a lot of trouble and time!  Thanks! -Crag
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Message 68        Sat May 13, 1989
J.FARBER1                    (Forwarded)

I have played POR for a while now. It   is without a doubt the tbest game
that calls itself ADND. The combat system, the way the spells work, and
the storyline are tops. However I just got Hillsfar and really got a
shock. The game is in no way like POR. Different game mechanics, different
everything. I bought the game because it was marjeted under the forgotten
realms label and thought that it would look like POR. Unless you like very
arcade like games Hillsfar is not for you. I just hope that curse of the
azure bands is like POR. Unfortunetly I think that the team that did
Hillsfar is also  doing Azure band. As an aside I was also disappointed in
Heros of the Lance. It is so much easier to make a  game based on reaction
time then one that is based on thought and skill. jacob farber

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Message 69        Sat May 13, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

 I couldn't agree more.  Except on one point-
  I think POR is great except for the combat system.
 The problem with the combat system is that it takes just too darn long.
I had a battle with about 30 orcs that lasted 2 hours.  I know, everybosy
says the high your chars the faster you cna kill the nasties.  Not true.
You can only throw so many sleep and hold spells.  I mean, my goodness.
Also, I was in the fast mode!  POR is great, but I think SSI should make
an option to allow players who don't like to spend 2 hours fighting
 to fight faster.   Maybe they could set something up like Migh
 and magic has.  But they should leve it as an option cause
 many people like the way it is now, expect for me. -Crag
  PS.  Pardon the typos.  I can spell, but my fingers can't. (grin)
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Message 70        Sat May 13, 1989
IMP                          (Forwarded)

Hey scorp...or anyone for that matter...

Does anyone know what files you should not erase to save your char when
you're through with the game?  I'm sure I'd figure it out I just haven't
taken the time to.

Thanks..

Imp
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Message 71        Sun May 14, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        (Forwarded)

Yeah... I hate the trolls and the wrights !!!!  I can usually get all but
the last troll in the rope guild before my party gets waxed... Argghhh. I
usually take a swordsman, hero, or warrior along for the front line and an
acolyte for the back line..they draw missile fire and attacks, you can
have the acolyte cast heal spells after a battle, and if the get waxed..
so what... drop them in a ditch and return to the training hall. I dislike
evoker, he is a wimp and never seems to cast spells until the battle is
over. He will never move closer to get in better dart range. I have
cleared the Well, the slums, mapped the library (do you need the Knock
spell to get in ???) fpom the outside, and fought in the textile area, but
cannot last long in there. ( 4 battles max), wandered around west of the
city.... where should I go next ??? Sokal Keep or keep trying the Textile
area ??? Both look pretty tough My characters are level 2-4. I have also
gotten my party waxed 3 times in  tavern brawls in New Phlan!!! The brawls
get tougher as your party does, the Pitt was a picnic compared to my last
tavern brawl.... about 10 4th Level fi ghters and 12 aides vs my party and
about 12 1st level thieves... we got our clocks cleaned !!! This is THE
best AD&D CRPG and I am looking forward t Azure Bonds !!!
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Message 72        Sun May 14, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Joe, I stayed out of the taverns; didn't find them useful and there was
ALWAYS a boring brawl that started soon after I entered. Unless you really
want to go through all that combat, it's best to avoid taverns altogether.
I found I needed a Knock to get into the library, but you may want to wait
awhile on that one, as your group probably isn't up to taking on a spectre
or a basilisk. Textile is a nasty area; Sokal Keep isn't too bad,
especially if you know the right words inside.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 73        Sun May 14, 1989
MYRDHYN [Denybar]            (Forwarded)

     Any words on a release for the Amiga?
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Message 74        Tue May 16, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

True, ture.  Joe, you should clear the keep.  Once it's clear
 then the shipping lanes are clear, then you can takes boats
 everywhere. (Including outside the city).  Like Scorpia said, look for
  the right words, you'll find them if you look hard enough.  Be
 careful though, beofre I realized I could use the words I had already
 taken a pretty bad beating.  Try the Kutts Well, or after you clear
 the Keep take a boat north and try Kovel Mansion, that's not that bad.
 Hope this helps-
   Crag
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Message 75        Mon May 22, 1989
C.MULLER                     (Forwarded)

 Hillsfar was designed to be arcadish and is not a continuation of
 the POR story line.  Azure Bonds is the second part in the series
 Hillsfar is sort of of a stop gap entertainer to raise your party
 in level while you wait for Azure Bonds.  Azure Bonds will allow
 Rangers and Paladins, AT LAST!  It was somewhat limiting to only
 be allowed the 4 basic D & D character types.  As for the combat
 I have a 386 VGA (Read very fast) and I love every bit of the full
 blown tactical combat.  Its just like those live battles on the
 hex grid as you and your party members position yourself for battle
 declare spells, roll dice, etc.  I must say though that the option
 to have a non-graphic quick combat system as in Wizard's Crown would
 be very nice for those people who don't like the tactical combat or
 for battles that are no longer a challenge (e.g. your 8th level party
 vs 50 orcs).  Do to my fast machine and hard drive this was one of my
 favorite games of the year, however I may have felt differently if
 I had a 4.77 Mhz PC with no hard drive (yuk!), but I don't!  Therefore,
 I anxiously await Azure Bonds and the Paladin (and possibly a Ranger)
 that will soon be joining my party.

 Later,

 Chris.
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Message 76        Tue May 23, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Well, I have an AT Clone with a hard drive and the games still runs slow.
But it's still good.  I stopped for a while to play Might and Magic II,
but I'm getting tired with MM2 because of the battles.  Anyway, back to
POR.  I just saw in June's issue of CGW an ad for POR, Hillfar and The
Curse of Auz? Bonds.  Is it out yet?
  To add on my formal complaint.  I have level 10 chars.  When fighting 50-
100 Orcs, it gets pretty boaring.  I jstu but my chars on Quick mode and
go watch TV or do something.  One time I even went to the store and the
bank and came back and still saw them fighting.  I'm still laughiung. I
think POR is great because it's more intelligent.  It's not your basic
hack-n-slash type game.  It's refreshing to play after playing the Brad's
tales and starting Might and Magic.  But the fights you do have, boy, they
take time.  I just hope the next one has an opition for really fast
combat. -Crag
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Message 77        Tue May 23, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Azure Bonds is not out yet, but it's due soon for the C-64.

         Best,
          - Scorpia
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Message 78        Wed May 24, 1989
MYRDHYN [Prospero]           (Forwarded)

     Any word on Amiga release?  [prays]
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Message 79        Thu Jun 01, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        (Forwarded)

OK, I took your advice.. went to Sokal Keep next... almost got wiped out
by the Hobgoblin/Orc Horde... down to 2 characters... my 2 NPC ran away
!!! I then got Dirten to join up.. cleared the Textile Area.. freed a
captive.. but never found a family treasure to take back to the
Councilman.. what was the treasure ??? There is one T-shaped area against
the southern wall I could not find the door to enter.... Did I miss
something.. went out the west door and got lost in the wilderness but
survived and found a boat back to New Phlan !!!  think you are correct.. I
have the knock spell, but the library sounds tough! So I am taking the
boat to Koval Mansion next. BTW,  I was able to wax the trolls in the Old
Rope Guild after Dirten joined me !!!!! Great fun !!!
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Message 80        Thu Jun 01, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Miami Joe,
  The mansion should be no problem for you.  Just search everywhere, and
be carefull. Concerning the Textile area, you sure did miss somthing. That
T area you where talking about is it. BE CAREFULL!   You better bring
along a few extra fighters with you.  Did you find Skullcrusher? You could
use him.  Good Luck- _-Crag (If you want pinpoint info let me know and
I'll E-Mail you some).
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Message 81        Sat Jun 03, 1989
D.GREVER1 [Matrix]           (Forwarded)

Well, just read all the messages going back to June of last year, quite a
a   task, almost as difficult as the battle with the Kobold King.  Have
progressed quite far in game. City council no longer gives me commissions,
 all that I have left is the Castle.  Funny, I killed Tyrannax... what
ever his name is, but that is obviously isnt the end of the game.  Guess
I'll  have to go back in and try again.  Guess I'm greedy, I played entire
game  and never hired even one npc, except dritten and skullcrusher of
course. never could figure out how much three shares was.... well time to
log off
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Message 82        Sat Jun 03, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

The game doesn't "end" when you kill Tyranthraxus, although if I recall
rightly you get a reward if you go back to the council. After that you can
mess around a little more in the game if you want to, although there isn't
much to do except fight with critters in the wilderness.

            Best,
             - Scorpia
 Message 90        Tue Jun 13, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Phoenix, You must have a fast machine or a hell of lot of patince. How'd
you make it through all the long battles? Also, anybody hear any news
concerning the realses of Azure Bonds?
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Message 91        Tue Jun 13, 1989
SCORPIA

See the transcript of the SSI co in the library for info on Azure Bonds,
Crag.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 92        Wed Jun 14, 1989
MYRDHYN [Prosp/Quill]

    Hehe, why can't you just tell us Scorp?
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Message 93        Wed Jun 14, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Sheer laziness, Myrd! (grin)

       Best,
        - Scorpia
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Message 94        Sat Jun 17, 1989
S.COX6 [CRAG]                (Forwarded)

Okay, okay, okay, I'll download the SSI text file.  (%&#@%&!Rats!) -Crag
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Message 95        Mon Jun 26, 1989
PHENIX                       (Forwarded)

CRAG,
  I have both. I have acess to a IBM 25mhz 70 and I played a lot of the
quests over in a different way to see how dynamic the program was. I  also
found which treasures were random and powerful and which were set. I did
this because the first time I played the game I thought that all of the
treasures were set and everybody got the same thing like in Battletech
 I was also curious as to how many of the AD&D magic items that the game
supported. This trial and error also led me to many bugs in the game and
suggest that you all check your versions and upgrade (Free) to the  latest
version, which I beleive is 1.3 . (I have 1.0, and a lot of the bugs have
been fixed). Good lock.

    -----PHOENIX
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Message 96        Wed Jun 28, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        (Forwarded)

Thanks, Phoenix... I have version 1.0 and have lost characters several
times paying to bring them back from the dead in the Temples... I enjoyed
having Dirten join my group and took y'alls advice... he helped my group
clean up the trolls, the library, the wealthy section, Koval Mansion, and
the textile section !!! We almost got waxed in the Temple of Bane... I
would swear that every orc in the game jumped us there !!! One MUST HAVE
spell is the silence 15' radius for clerics, or Mace will singlehandedly
decimate your party. Also, there is a NASTY surpize in the library besides
the spectre !!! It took out my two clerics before I got my first hit on it
!!!!! This is a great game !
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Message 97        Fri Jun 30, 1989
G.WALKER1 [Radius]           (Forwarded)

Now just one tiny, rather dumb question....How does one get to  Koval
mansion , the Wealthy Section, Temple of Bane, or the Graveyard?? The map
I got from the atlas showes a river around that area...the boat doesn't go
ther.e....How do I get there???

                                          - Radius
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Message 98        Fri Jun 30, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Sure the boat goes there, Radius. Go to the docks again and read carefully
what the guy asks you.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 99        Fri Jun 30, 1989
G.WALKER1 [Radius]           (Forwarded)

Ahh....there 'tis....thanx....<Bows his head sheepishly>
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Category 25,  Topic 3
Message 100       Sat Jul 15, 1989
S.YOON1 [SANI]               (Forwarded)

I just got the Curse of Azure Bonds but haven't played Pools yet. Could
someone who has finished Pools (Commadore 64 version) mail me their
characters? Upload it to my Mail address S.Yoon1. Please leave a note here
so that others will know I have received it adn so I don't get multiple
players. Thanks Alot.
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Message 101       Sat Jul 15, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Sani, your characters in Bonds will start out at 5th level. While not
terrific, it's not so bad either.

           Best,
            - Scorpia

P.S. I meant NEW characters, of course.
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Message 102       Sat Jul 15, 1989
S.YOON1 [SANI]               (Forwarded)

I know but I figure that characters transferred will have better stats,
exp, hp, ac, etc. later Sani
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Message 103       Sun Jul 16, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Well, yes and no. They will have more exp, but stats you can always modify
for new characters (before they go out), and all Pool chars lose all
equipment when they transfer anyway. Also, it seems to me that the new
chars in Bonds tend to come with higher starting hp's. (And I think if you
want to discuss Azure Bonds any further, you really should use that topic,
not this one)

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 104       Mon Jul 17, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

scorp: there is one piece of equipment that you may want to take from
pools to curse...Gauntlets of ogre power..  Curse will make a char wearing
gauntlets of ogre power into an 18(00) strength even though it takes away
the item. The game does not care if the character is emale, elf, hobbit, a
cleric or what (no discrimination here)
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Message 105       Mon Jul 17, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

I don't think I ever found the gauntlets, AG.

             Best,
              - Scorpia
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Message 106       Mon Jul 17, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

The gauntlets are in Zhentil Keep and are in the possession of the
comandant and his accompanying mage...  You must roam around Zhentil keep
killing all comers until you run into progressively more challenging
encounters.  The la last encounter is this one.  This encounter not only
gives you the  gauntlets of ogre power, but also clears the keep and
allows you to rest. The keep surrenders and you can leave in peace.
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Message 107       Mon Jul 17, 1989
PHENIX                       (Forwarded)

If I remember correctly there is at least one other pair of ogre gauntlets
and they a to be had from the fake Tyranathraxus in the castle. Also,
there are two ways to clear the buccaneers slave pen. One is to trade an
item for the child, and the other is to Nuke'em. The nuke yeilds some
goodies that  the commander is wearing. (have plenty of sleep, fireballs,
and stinking clouds).
                          PHOENIX
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Message 108       Tue Jul 18, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Yeah, you get some nice stuff if you decide to fight. After saving the
game, I tried buying the kid out, but it was a lot more expensive than I
liked. So I went back and wiped em all out (they deserved it anyway!
grin). Of course, what you really want is the gauntlets in combination
with a belt of giant strength (anybody seen one of those anywhere?).

              Best,
               - Scorpia
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Message 109       Tue Jul 18, 1989
CARDINAL                     (Forwarded)

HELLLLLLLLLP!!!!!!! How do I kill Tyranthraxus?  The thing seems to be
100% magic resistant and almost impossible to hit.  Also, I can't seem to
find the vampire.  When I get to the NW corner of the graveyard, I run
into a wall I can't get through.  Thanx.
                                  Cardinal
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Message 110       Tue Jul 18, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

Old Tyran is a problem, but my upfront fighters all had 2-handed swords+2,
which did help (although my poor cleric did die in the encounter and had
to be resurrected). As for the vampire, I think you need to have search
on, and/or try to walk through the walls there.

              Best,
               - Scorpia

P.S. It took me a couple of tries before I put the Big T down for the
count.
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Message 111       Tue Jul 18, 1989
K.SMITH12                    (Forwarded)

 212 messages?   Good God!!!
 I made it through them but almost fell asleep many times (Sorry).
 I suppose what I say here has probably been said (in 212 messages it
 better have been!), but before I drift into nevernever land here
 is what I think.
 The Apple version on my IIGS works just fine as far as speed goes --
 except booting up.  YUK!  7 different disk swaps!  This gets worse
 because whenever your party dies you get a wonderful message that
 says "The party has been defeated."  Wow.  Took brains to figure that
out.
 Then it stops.  Nothing.  No back to the character party menu, no back
 to the last saved game option, nothing.  Except rebooting and swapping
 and finding the wheel and figuring out the word (which is REAL hard now
 that I lost the wheel, but was still a pain in the a** when I had it).
 That's my other complaint about the Apple version is the dang wheel.
 Maybe I'm just stupid or unorganized, but once you've lost it, you gotta
 reboot (see earlier, this is no easy task) all over again.  Enough of my
 silly complaints...anyone who read through 212 messages deserves at least
 this bit of advice.
  To kill the trolls    The definitive vguide    v1.1
  By Kevin Smith

Page 1

  Make sure your magic user has sleep -- it has a 50/50 chance of putting
 one of the ogres asleep.   KEEP THE OGRES ALIVE!  DO NOT KEEP A HERO!
 The hero has a irritating habit of killing your armo - the ogres.
 DO NOT RUN!  This gives the trolls all three attacks at a bonus and
 face it your characters are dead.  Clerics cast Spritual hammer, Mages
 use magic missles, fighters use bows, etc until they are dead.  Then
 finish off the ogres FAST.  This isn't much of a problem if you got one
 of them asleep.  As soon as one of the ogres is wasted, get a character
 (Hopefully a mage who has no doubt used all his spells) on top of where
 one of the trolls died.  KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THEY DIE.  If somebody
stands
 here they can't get back up.   Usually one of the trolls will run off
 and try to run through the wall (stupid).  Anyway, he will guard and
 anyone coming up to him will be claw-claw-bited into shreds.  Use arrows
 on him too.  Then after killing everything, DO NOT continue the battle
 (What kind of a twit would ever want to continue a battle when all the
 monsters are dead???)
 The major task is not getting next to any of the trolls ever.

  Hope this helps you, after reading 212 - 213 now messages, you deserve
 at least this.....ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
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Message 112       Tue Jul 18, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

There will be times later on when continuing the battle ma kes
sense..it'll be the only chance to heal up inbetween combats.

              Best,
               - Scorpia
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Message 113       Tue Jul 18, 1989
MYRDHYN [Darkshades]         (Forwarded)

     This information is direct from Strategic Simulations, Inc. :

     Pool of Radiance will be released for the Amiga in Mid-October.

Only 3(sigh) more months to wait, but I'm hoping this will be an advanced
port rather than an 'exact' port.  Let's pray we get REAL graphics, and
the whole bit.  I don't want to see this game only need 64k on my Amiga.
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Message 114       Tue Jul 18, 1989
PHENIX                       (Forwarded)

Mr. T aint so bad. There is a small slip on SSI's part, and Mr T CAN be
backstabbed by your thief even though he is non humanoid. I Stabbed for 76
HP. of damage on the turkey and since the fighters already whacked him and
the mages stinked, and Missiled him, he was toast.

   Kuck  PHOENIX
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Message 115       Sat Jul 29, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

HI ALL: Good game huh!!!

OGRE GAUNTLETS:  The commander of Zhentil Keep has a pair....  I do not
remember Genheris (the deadly lightning bolt - watch out for him he will
fry your party members after you recruit him!!!! he is worth it though, he
is a leve 7 magic user!!) having the Gauntlets of Ogre Power.

BELT OF GIANT STRENGTH:  I have not seen one.  Curse has a Girdle of the
Dwarven Kind.  It is unfortunately bugged!!!  It can add +30 hit points.
It can subrtract 30 hit points.  It will add one to constitution and
subtract one from charisma...  Only in Curse though....  Get a belt or
girdle and all you need it the Hammer of Thunderbolts!!!  How about a
telepathic Longsword +5 with detect invisable???!!  Unfortunately I have
not found one....   When wearing the gauntlets and transferring to Curse
however, your characters (even female halfling clerics) will retain the
18(00) strength even though the gauntlets are gone when you awake in Curse
and the Tilverton Inn.  I applaud the designers for this feature...  To
loose such an artifact would be too traumatic...  But for the artifact to
have permanent benefits is an added bonus!!! Thank you SSI/TSR!!!

KILLINF TYRANTHRAXUS (SP?):  Spread out!!! (do this with all those o who
have breath weapons, lightning bolts and fireballs or cold storm like
(group) spells.  Hack him to death with 2-hand swords +2.  SCORP:  Is he
subject to any 1,2,or 3 level spells like magic missle???  I forget.  I
believe he can be fireballed (not sure).. He is lightning bolt resistant.
Mr. T usually kills someone!!!

The Vampire:  Must be killed twice.  You need to defeat both of the
Specter encounters in the NW portion of Van Halen's Graveyard (it has a
beat I give it a 35!!).  After this the secret wall in the 20x 10
enclosure in the far NE  (NE sorry the above sould be NE as well!!) When
you go in you will be facing the Vamp and some dogs (were dogs or wolves).
You need to get at him and hack him to pieces before he charms one of your
group.  Otherwise you have to hack your group ber member who was charmed
down, hopefully to unconsiiousness  nly only.  Killing the charmed member
is a bummer..  After he is killed you will have to go to the cross shaped
building to the SW of the  20x10 you just left and kill the Vamp again.
He will be alone.   You should go to the cross shaped building before you
try all this and  bless and distribute holy artifacts to his destroyed
coffin.... Hope this helps...

KSMITH12:  Should not require you to reboot after you are killed.  Good
point...

TROLLS:  kill them permanently by burning with fireballs!!!

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Message 116       Sat Jul 29, 1989
PHENIX                       (Forwarded)

Any member charmed by the vampire can be uncharmed by the charm person
spell or dispel magic on him/her. Another way to keep trolls down is to
stand on the spot where they drop and they won't rise again. They don't
rise for a set period of time so the encounter usually ends befor they get
up To Kill Mr. T: If you go in hacking Mr. T never has a chance (I only
had a character die once out of ten or more replays). He is affected by
magic missile and other spells except lightning bolt (Copper dragon I
beleive is immune).(maby bronze its been a while). Mr. T is also
suseptable to backstab , I hit him for 76 H.P of backstab.

                    Good Luck
     PHOENIX
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Message 117       Tue Aug 08, 1989
C.ARANGIO1                   (Forwarded)

 Two big (for me at least) questions:
 1) Does the dragon ever grant a second quest? I've defeated the graveyard
but accidentally -- at least that's what I tell myself -- dropped the
Efreet bottle.  Does the dragon ever reappear?
 2) WHERE THE @#$*!%^& is STOJANOW GATE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Message 118       Tue Aug 08, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

yes the dragon has other quests??
  save before you dropped the
bottle and restore...  You really do need the  efreet...

Stojanow Gate is north of the Podol Plaza which is west of the slums....
The gate is a rough encounter so make sure you have help... Two heros
would be nice and also make sure you intercept the cart and try to sneek
by the bugbears with it....  If this is too vague leave me a message
here.. I can be so detailed it will nauseate you!!!!
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Message 119       Wed Aug 09, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

The gate is also shown in the map in the booklet.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 120       Wed Aug 09, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

UH... Right Scorp...

<poof>    the gate....
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Message 121       Sun Aug 13, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        (Forwarded)

Help... I keep getting my party waxed in the pyramid... am I attempting
this too early. I can handle about 3 or 4 sets of fighters and 1 set of
driders...I cannot get out and cannot encamp to recharge my clerics and
MUs. What is the secret?? I have 6 4-6 level characters, Hero and Acolyte.
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Message 122       Wed Sep 13, 1989
MACK                         (Forwarded)

If you help the priest, you'll find a way out of the pyramid.  Talk to him
a lot first.  Once out, you can go back in and rest on the first level
without being bothered.
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Message 123       Thu Sep 14, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ed]                 (Forwarded)

      AMIGA VERSION IS ALMOST HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message 124       Sat Sep 16, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

so .............  The ST version is almost here.....
also..................
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Category 25,  Topic 3
Message 125       Sat Sep 16, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ed]                 (Forwarded)

     (grin)  But *I* don't care about the ST version.  Only you other folx
do.
        :)
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Message 126       Sun Sep 17, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

Sorry Myrdhyn.....  There are still a few cheap people who have
inexpensive higher technology machines than the IBM, or Apple.....  I do
own both of the latter and the ST by Atari is far superior in
performance......

hy did I say that, I have been nice up until now!!!
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Message 127       Mon Sep 18, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ed]                 (Forwarded)

     Heh, you really wanna get in a 'my computer is better than yours'
war? (grin)
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Message 128       Mon Sep 18, 1989
SCORPIA                      (Forwarded)

(Not in this topic you don't! ;)
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Category 25,  Topic 3
Message 129       Wed Sep 20, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   (Forwarded)

DITTO-------   Thanks all and to all a good knight!!!
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Message 130       Sat Sep 23, 1989
B.WALTON1                    at 14:45 PDT

What am I supposed to do in the hedge maze?  I have wandered around, but
all the exits just lead to more maze.  Can anyone help? -- Bruce
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Message 131       Sat Sep 23, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        at 20:07 EDT

Hey.... SSI guys (& gals)... my IBM version of POR just increased my 2
clerics to having 25 2nd level spells when they were restored 2 levels by
scrolls after a wright drained them.... and several times the program
bombed when I tried to bring a character back from the dead in the
Temples. Is there an upgrade that I can get ????? What do I need to do
????
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Message 132       Sat Sep 23, 1989
A.GIOVETTI

BWALTON:  SSI has an excellent clue book with full maps of the maze... You
will need to fully map the maze in order to find your way through it effe
effectively or buy the clue book  (oh no not the dreader mapping paper)

That is worse than the blob nono the attack of the killer tomatoes or was
it bimboes oh well what was I saying where am I bye bye cruel woild
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Message 133       Sun Sep 24, 1989
SCORPIA

Bruce...what you want to investigate are those little "houses" at the
corners of the maze...one in particular is very important.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 134       Tue Sep 26, 1989
GM [Rick M.]

  Is there any way to get POR for the Apple II to recognize two 5 1/4"
floppies?  ItRight now, I do a lot of disk passing.
  Rick
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Message 135       Sat Sep 30, 1989
NESTRICKLAND

I could use some help with a few things (PLEASE).  1. I can't seem to get
the 'order' to change anyones position.  2. At one point I have more money
than I can use.  Is there some way to park it and get it later (a bank?).
It weighs too much.  3. The sleep spell has back-fired on me the two times
I've tried it.  I put part of my party to sleep too.

Dead Again
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Message 136       Sat Sep 30, 1989
MYRDHYN [Ed]

     I think if you have other characters saved to disk, you can join them
to the party, give them all the gold and then remove and save that
character still holding all the Gold.
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Message 137       Sat Sep 30, 1989
B.WALTON1

Yes, I did that too.  The sleep spell is an area affect spell.  ANYONE in
the area is or at least can be affected by the spell.  The area is the
square it is cast on and each adjacent one as well for a total of nine
possible victims.

I have a technical problem with my game.  I don't ge any of the error
messages mentioned in the tape recording.  The game just plain locks up. I
have an IBM XT Model 286 (XT configuration with an 80286 CPU).  Has  there
been any problems like this previously?

Bruce
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Message 138       Sun Oct 01, 1989
SCORPIA

Note, however, the elves are extremely resistant to sleep spells. If
you're going to cast those spells, it's good to have all the elves up
front (all my fighters were elven fighter/mu's).

            Best,
             - Scorpia
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Message 139       Sun Oct 01, 1989
NESTRICKLAND

What tape recording?  Have I missed something?
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Message 140       Sun Oct 01, 1989
NESTRICKLAND

I still haven't been able to change the order of my party.  I've had up to
six in the party.   ????
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Message 141       Sun Oct 01, 1989
SCORPIA

Nes, see the bottom of page 14 for instructions on changing the order of
the party (that's page 14 of the POR manual).

          Best,
           - Scorpia
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Message 142       Fri Oct 06, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT

  S Pool Apple is a 1-drive program.
 Carole
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Message 143       Fri Oct 06, 1989
BARRACUDA

Carole,
     glad to see you on! I hope the problems have been resolved.

     As far as the Apple version of POR, is their any hope for an update,
or  maybe even a GS specific version? I'm sitting here with a big hard
disk, multiple megs of RAM, a 3.5 inch disk... and a dusty old floppy
drive whose _only_ exercise these days is POR, when I have the patience to
sit through all the disk swaps needed to even start the game. It seems
that the version for most or all of the other systems use the standard OS
and can be run off hard disk, RAM, whatever. It would be extremely nice if
Apple POR could match that, especially since it isn't  disk copy
protected.

     Thanks for your time!

                                                                   Rich
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Message 144       Thu Oct 12, 1989
K9.MARK4

Heavy money: You have one of two solutions:

1) get it all changed into platinum, buy P)ooling, and then doing
something like getting an item I)Ded... or

2) go to the store in Civilized Phlan at (8,10) (go through the store at
9,10 to get there) and get it turned into jewelry...

hope this helps!

And a note from a friend of mine: Don't always trust the hint book! It
lies!
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Message 145       Sat Oct 14, 1989
A.GIOVETTI

ST version of this game will be delayed until January or February of 1990.
according to Brad Chin of SSI!!!

he good news is that they plan to have two simultaneous series of games
using this game system--which will be constantly improved and updated. The
two series are to be the Dragonlance playsetting and the forgotten realms
that pools and curse are now in.   The next in this type of SSI game,
which SSI calls a Fantasy Role Playing Epic, will be set in the
Dragonlance world of Krynn.  The release date is "early next year (is it
or is it not vaporware???)".  This will be followed by the  sequel to the
Curse module later-"early next year"!!!

In any case do not confuse these "Fantasy Role Playing Epics" with the
"Action Adventure" or Hillsfar type game or the "Action Game" series like
"Heroes of the Lance."  A new type of game is released in the AD&D setting
which will be a "Fantasy War Game" and set in  the Dragonlance REalm???
What is the name SCORP, I forgot??? Oh well enough news!!!!  Look for the
reappearance of the "Gold Box" "Fantasy Role Playing Epics"  "early next
year."

When you finish pools and curse we are in for a dry spell.....  Scorp,
friends, fiends, the bar is open!!!  How about some spiced meats and
spiced potatoes????  over here by the fire!!!!
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Message 146       Sun Oct 22, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]

Wow, thanks for the tip for turning gold pieces into jewelry !!! I did not
realize my elves were resistant to magic...sleep spells.... does this
apply to half-elves too ??? I would prefer messages and maps to be
generated by the computer, not from paragraphs in the booklets... when I
get stumped it is too tempting to glance ahead at the booklets !!!
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Message 147       Sun Oct 22, 1989
PHENIX                       at 13:22 EDT

careful some of the paragraphs in the book are fake and misleading.
    Good Luck,
     PhOENIX
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Message 148       Sun Oct 22, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   at 18:41 EDT

half elves are somewhere between humans and elves in magic resistance!!
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Message 149       Wed Oct 25, 1989
L.AGLE [ Questor ]           at 18:46 EDT

I believe that there is a POR for the GS in the works.  I was told by the
phone support person that there is someone working on the port.  If you
can believe SDI, they have it in their pre-release area for sale.

SSI, any word that you can give on when we may expect to see POR GS, I
can't wait to get my hands on it.

Larry
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Message 150       Thu Oct 26, 1989
BARRACUDA                    at 21:25 PDT

And, SSI, if POR for the GS is in fact in the works, and not just a juicy
rumor, can you let us know if it will have a few nice features like hard
disk or ram disk installibility? Or the ability to use larger-than-
required available RAM in order to facilitate play? Thanks in advance.

        Rich
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Message 151       Fri Oct 27, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 16:22 EDT

Hi Barracuda & Larry:  Pool for the GS has been contracted but very
little development has been done on it.  No release date has been set, but
most likely it will be mid-to-late 1990. Regards,  Carole
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Message 152       Sat Oct 28, 1989
L.AGLE [ Questor ]           at 09:35 EDT

Thanks Carole.  I see that POR has been released for the MAC(???).  From
what I can see, it looks pretty good.  I find it interesting that SDA  has
an Oct release date on POR/GS though.  Anyway, I'm just happy that SSI is
doing a POR for the GS (just hurry up huh).

Larry
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Message 153       Sat Oct 28, 1989
GCOURTER [Grinner]           at 09:49 EDT

Tevex also shows October as the release date for the GS POR.  Please
 let us, or them, know what the real scoop is.

Thanks, Greg
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Message 154       Sun Nov 05, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        at 14:40 EST

I am not too bright, I guess.... how do I find out what version of Pool of
Radiance that I have... I bought it in May. ???????
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Message 155       Mon Nov 06, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 01:14 EST

  Anyone know what this "Manual to Human Health" or whatever the title is,
is good for?  It's worth 25000 GPs, but I don't see any real use for it.
I found it in the library.  (Hehe, just started playing again tonight
after about 11 months of having this game stored away).  Anyone?  (grin)
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Message 156       Mon Nov 06, 1989
SCORPIA                      at 01:57 EST

It increases Constitution by 1 point if you use it, Myrd. If everyone in
your party is at max, you're probably better off selling it if you need
money. Otherwise, hold on to it for a rainy day ;)

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 157       Mon Nov 06, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 18:16 EST

To: Miami Joe, To find out what version of POR you have, it shows up in
the first few intro screens, at the bottom of the screen.  If you don't
see it, then you have version 1.0. Happy Gaming, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 158       Mon Nov 06, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 18:56 EST

Hi Myrdhyn, The Manual of Bodily Health raises your con by one, and you
need to  rest in a inn for 30 days, in order to get this extra point.
Happy Gaming, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 159       Mon Nov 06, 1989
PHENIX                       at 18:59 EST

is a long stay at the inn required? When I used it I just went on about my
bussiness and it worked after about 30 days or so.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 160       Mon Nov 06, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 21:25 EST

    Heh, I'd rather have the 25000 gold pieces myself.  I just stormed the
Temple of Bane and got my butt kicked after finding the third treasure.  I
knew I should've saved before I entered(sighs at 1.5 hours of lost work).
Anyway, I did get all the items.  These weapons worth anything? (grins
hopefully)
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Message 161       Tue Nov 07, 1989
SCORPIA                      at 00:54 EST

I don't recall what was in there, Myrd...drag em to town and have em
examined.

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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Message 162       Tue Nov 07, 1989
PHENIX                       at 19:32 EST

most of the weapons in the temple are +1 but there is a variety of items
and will most likely have something magic for everyone in your party.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 163       Tue Nov 07, 1989
BARRACUDA                    at 18:54 PST

SSI, I have a problem...

I'm using Apple POR V1.1. I've been taking the precaution of always using
2 save game disks, and saving game twice each time, once to each disk.
Last night I did that and quit the game. Later when I returned and
restarted, everything went fine until I tried to restore the game. It
replied with something to the effect that there was no saved game on the
disk. I tried the backup, and it said the same thing. A few individual
characters were still on the disk (older version, who I had removed in the
past then reinstated). My characters weren't very far along (2 lev3
fighters, 1 lev3 cleric, 1 lev2/1 thief/mu, and two lev 2 mu's) but due to
my schedule (and the amount of time it takes to boot this game) they
represent a considerable time investment.

     Any suggestions on recovering the characters? I've since tested the
drive extensively and it shows no errors or problems. But multiple
attempts to  restore the game have all failed. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

        Rich
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Message 164       Tue Nov 07, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 23:13 EST

    Whoa, big advancement today.  I went back and mangled everyone in the
Wealthy area as well as the Temple(yes, almost all +1s).  I then managed
to clear out Kovel Mansion, help the Nomads, kick some Kobold(the caves),
and the pyramid!(Sorcerer's Isle?).  I even took on the civilized army
inside the council(the south room) and I found 4 +3 rings of protection.
It was a long and tedious fight though.  I'd never have won if it weren't
for my 6th Lvl MU.  He did wonders.  ;).  Off to kick some lizard butt.
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Message 165       Wed Nov 08, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 20:28 EST

To: Rich, Concerning about your problem with your Pool game saves, we have
never ran into that problem.  It seems very strange that your games fail
on two seperate disks. I suggest that you call our Customer Support Dept,

Best Wishes, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 166       Wed Nov 08, 1989
DSACHS                       at 21:41 CST

I am having trouble with the Macintopsh version of POR. When a character
has the +1/+3(against undead) magic sword, after a while he is unable to
do anything (ready, unready, drop, trade) with it. This stituation
persists through saves.
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Message 167       Wed Nov 08, 1989
BARRACUDA                    at 20:14 PST

Jim (SSI),
     it was the save game disks that failed, not the game disks
themselves. And I'll try the CS number again, but so far all I've managed
to get there is busy signals...
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Message 168       Thu Nov 09, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 00:05 EST

     SSI.SUPPORT,
                  I've noticed one problem with my POR disks for the C64.
On occasion, it will ask for a disk #, and after I place the disk in the
drive and press a key, it begins reading the disk, and again asks me for
the same disk #.  This becomes a large problem when moving through areas,
and saving games.  I believe it is the first C64 version.

    Other stuff: Whoa, been a long night!  Lizard keep was easy, then on I
went to the outpost and the Bucc's tower, or whatever you want to call it.
I ran into some trouble when in the Graveyard, though.  Yes, this is a
tough area, and I'm in there with two 6th level fighters, one 7th level
fighter, an 8th level thief, 6th level MU, a 6th level cleric and (2)
Heros from the dueling room.  I cleared the entire block out, but since I
visited the dragon, it's suggested that there's a vampire here.  I've
searched and searched, i've killed all the zombies, spectres, wraiths,
wights, what have you, but I can't seem to find the vampire.  There is an
area in the Northeastern corner that appears to be a room, but I can't
enter(all walled up).  Is there someway to open the doorway?  Something I
missed?
    Also, what happens when you leave the graveyard?  Only two of my
characters were standing(the 2 6th level fighters), so I figured it was a
good time to depart.  I imagine the place'll be full when I go back, but
I'm hoping for some info from you folx.  Thanx.
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Message 169       Thu Nov 09, 1989
GCOURTER [Grinner]           at 19:52 EST

SSI Support, could you please respond to the request for more specific
 information on the planned release date for POR for the Apple IIgs?  Most
 of the distributors have October '89 as the release date (which has
 obviously not been made) but the message posted earlier seems to indicate
 that it shouldn't be expected for quite some time.  Some of us have pre-
 ordered this, and if it is not to be out in the relative near future we
 could pull the order until a better time. Thanks, Greg
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Message 170       Thu Nov 09, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 23:23 EST

    Don't worry about replying to my prior message for help finding the
vamp. I figure it didn't allow me to fight it until after I had killed all
the spectres.  What's funny, is I killed him so fast it wasn't funny.   He
got no attacks and I took him out in seconds.  Time for the final
confrontation... Wish me luck.
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Message 171       Sun Nov 12, 1989
L.AGLE [ Questor ]           at 09:01 EST

POR Support Person,
  I am one of those pre-order people who would like to know aprox when
POR/GS will be released.  I don't have a problem with a response like "I
don't know but I'll check on that for you.", but by not responding I feel
like I'm being ignored.  If you would rather not say, then fine that too
would be a response.  Thanks for listening (I hope ;).

Larry
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Message 172       Mon Nov 13, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 13:12 EST

To: Larry, Sorry if I missed your request, POR for the Apple GS won't be
out till Spring of 1990.  Can't give a more definate date till we see how
much more work needs to be done.   Happy Gaming, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 173       Mon Nov 13, 1989
P.SMITH36                    at 21:44 EST

I'm playing the Mac version of POR and I am unab; le to unready the 2-
handed sword +1 +3 vs undead. It won't uinready, trade, drop and a remove
cus r       curse ha  isn't allowed as the game thinks I'm not cursed (I
beg to differ  <grin>). Is there a workaround                       The
graveyard is cleared and I'd really like to dump these weapons. Anybody
know a workaround for this problem? Thanks in advance,
         Gary Smith
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Message 174       Mon Nov 13, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 22:08 EST

    You can unready it while in combat.
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Message 175       Tue Nov 14, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 18:28 EST

   Hi folx.  I've gotten into a bit of a rut.  I've gotten all the way
into the "final confrontation", picked up the wizard to fight "you know
who", and each time I got in and fight his guards(the 8th level fighters),
I get my butt kicked black and blue.  I've been memorizing two lightning
bolt spells for good measure to get a good shot and bring their hit points
down(they line up quite nicely for this spell), but A: Two won't kill
them, and B: After I wound them, they overwhelm my players so much that
they die before they can do much damage.  My ACs range from -6 to -3, but
I can't survive long enough.  Anyone have any hints on how to win this
battle?
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Message 176       Wed Nov 15, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 14:55 EST

To: Mydhyn, First try to spead out your party so as they wont get hit
while they are all bunched up together.  Use your clerics to cast Hold
Person on those fighters and cast Stinking Cloud on Mr.T to mess him up.
You can also try to send your thief to backstab Big T and that should do
it. Good Luck, Slim Jim
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Message 177       Wed Nov 15, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 17:02 EST

   (laughs)  I tried that once and it didn't work, or even come close.  I
took out the guards by using them for myself.  Yep, I cast Charm Person on
3 of them and whalla, instant army.  I took out the guards that way, using
brute force the Haste spell, prayer, bless, and one lightning.  Mr. T was
Sooooo EASY!  He didn't hit me once!  My fighters just overwhelmed him in
2 rounds.  Off to Curse of the Azure Bonds...
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Message 178       Wed Nov 15, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 21:13 EST

   Just for the record, my party consisted of 3 Human Fighters, all 8th
level, a human magic user, 6th level, a human cleric, also 6th level, and
a 9th level thief halfling.  All have experience to advance to higher
levels.
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Message 179       Thu Nov 16, 1989
SCORPIA                      at 11:50 EST

My original party had three Elven fighter/magic-users, one Elven MU/thief,
one half-elf fighter/Mu/cleric and one human cleric.

             Best,
              - Scorpia
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Message 180       Thu Nov 16, 1989
MYRDHYN                      at 22:02 EST

    Hehe, I've been thinking I should've used multi-class characters, but
I wasn't to sure I could survive, so I went with the power.  Seems to have
worked out just as well.
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Message 181       Fri Nov 17, 1989
SCORPIA                      at 02:43 EST

Strange Myrd, I figured that *my* group was "going with the power" (five
mu's, four fighters, two clerics and a thief is rather strong!).

           Best,
            - Scorpia
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MYRDHYN                      at 16:10 EST

  What I meant was the power to advance faster.  I know I should've done
multi-class characters, but I felt odd about that.  Don't ask me why.
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Message 183       Fri Nov 17, 1989
PHENIX                       at 19:24 EST

Also Power refers to the fact that Demi-humans are limited in levels  for
most classes. By using more Human single class characters you can
Eventually get more Power per player but cannot match the Diversity  of
power that you can get with Multi-class players.
     For the record mu parties in both games has been all single classed
as I prefer to advance as fast as possible.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 184       Sat Nov 18, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        at 16:22 EST

I agree that a party should have one pure MU and a pure Cleric... I did
not use a thief much and had a F/TH (halfling), which worked OK. Have not
met Mr. T yet, Still have to finish off the Vamp in the Graveyard. Am
going to the mountains to search for the dragon first. Is it necessary to
go to Zhental Keep ????
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Message 185       Sat Nov 18, 1989
PHENIX                       at 19:53 EST

It isn't nessary to go to Zhental Keep but you have to go to the Zhental
outpost. It is fairly hard but the payoff is great.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 186       Thu Dec 07, 1989
M.DAVISIII [Overlord]        at 05:15 MST

Do elves get their +1 to hit bonus while using long sword or long bow? (as
per players handbook)
                                        Overlord
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Message 187       Thu Dec 07, 1989
BLACKHAWK                    at 06:56 PST

Is POR available for the ST yet?
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Category 25,  Topic 3
Message 188       Fri Dec 08, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 17:55 EST

To Overlord & Blackhawk, Yes elves get that +1 bonus in combat, but
certain areas or places in  Pool or Curse may cancel that bonus, (ex: The
sewers in curse). Sorry but POR is not out yet for the Atari ST. Best
Wishes, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 189       Fri Dec 08, 1989
DSACHS                       at 21:31 CST

When will the successor games come out for the Macintosh?
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Message 190       Sat Dec 09, 1989
R.GRIDLEY [rick]             at 09:07 EST

U.S. Gold of Europe states that POR for the St will be out in March. U.S.
Gold does a lot of the ports for ST versions of SSI games.
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Message 191       Sun Dec 10, 1989
LARRY.ZEH                    at 17:41 EST

A question - I hope it hasn't been asked yet, but I'm trying not to read
the earlier the earlier messages since I don't want any clues- after
clearing the well a message states that it is now a safe area. Can I now
store some of my items there without them disappearing? Early in the game
I bought everything I thought I might need, and am tired of carrying it
all. Weight penalty, you know. If I could store things like silver items
it would help. Thanks, Larry
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Message 192       Sun Dec 10, 1989
PHENIX                       at 23:23 EST

To my knowledge you can't drop things and find them again anywhare in the
game The safe place I think refers only to the fact that you can rest
without  being attacked.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 193       Thu Dec 14, 1989
LARRY.ZEH                    at 18:39 EST

Pheonix, thanks for the information. It was a thought at least. I just
hate to buy jewelry- you get robbed each way! L
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Message 194       Sat Dec 16, 1989
J.PICKARD [Miami Joe]        at 21:06 EST

Help....... I am in the pyramid and getting wasted EVERY time... I throw a
rock in first thru the door on the right, then go in myself and my party
lasts about 5 encounters.... although I know not to attack yhe lizardmen,
they attack me every time I try to camp... also, I have never found any
helpful priest !!!! GREAT PROGRAM !!!!!
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Message 195       Sun Dec 17, 1989
PHENIX                       at 18:57 EST

don't worry about the lizardmen that attack you. the ones you encounter
later  are the ones you should be careful with. I found that there were
limited  numbers of encounters in the mazes in the Pyrmid and after having
them all you could rest all you wanted in that section. The helpful priest
is in one of the mazes. There is some good booty in the maze encounters so
don't skip them.
                     Good Luck,
                             PHEONIX
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Message 196       Mon Dec 18, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 13:13 EST

To: Miami Joe, Here's the fast way thru the maze, move down the main
corridor to the first alcove, turn right and move forward, then teleport.
Move down the hall turn right at intersection, and then move to end of
hall. Throw a stone and then teleport, now follow corridor to the end.
Throw a stone and then teleport, move down the hall, throw a stone and
then teleport.  You are now on the 3rd level. Good Luck!! Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 197       Sun Dec 24, 1989
A.GIOVETTI                   at 19:21 EST

NEWS:::: For pool of radiance fanatics:

TSR publications has released a novel in their Forgotten REalms series.
The title of the novel is Pool of Radiance!!!  This book is well worth the
$4 price!!!!!!!!  Go buy it!!!   It is now in your bookstores in
paperback!!!

By the way SSI support my ST version (Disks A and B bombed on me when I
used the format command for Dragons of Flame)....  Do I have to send the
damn disks back-=--  This is beginning to cost me money...  I have sent
back three sets of disks this year and had to call you about a mistake in
my hint book order...  How about if I order the hint book and you send me
the replacement disks!!????  OK!!??  I mean we are selling the programs
for you anyway (Computer Wizards and Joppa Computer Products, 1615
Frederick Road, Catonsville, MD 21228-5022  Telephone [phone]----
All itmes ---programs from SSI---30% off retail!!!  800 order line (talk
to mark) 1-800-876-6040)!!!!!
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Message 198       Wed Dec 27, 1989
GM [Rick M.]                 at 09:36 EST

 I'm reviewing the Macintosh version of POR right now, and it is most
excellent.  A must-have for Mac RPGers.

  Rick
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Message 199       Wed Dec 27, 1989
DSACHS                       at 19:08 CST

[I'm reviewing the Macintosh version of POR right now, and it is most
excellent.  A must-have for Mac RPGers.]

Yes, the graphics and play are excellent, but there are a couple of really
serious bugs. Be sure to mention the 'sticky' +1/+3 sword.

I hope the other games in the series come out for the Mac.
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Message 200       Wed Dec 27, 1989
M.DAVISIII [Overlord]        at 23:09 MST

Im not having the problem with the sticky sword. but I have had a problem
with the program freezing during Gnoll encounters, sometimes.
   Rick, where can we read that "review"?
                                        Overlord
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Message 201       Thu Dec 28, 1989
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 19:38 EST

To: All Pool Mac users, There is a bug with the +1/+3 2H sword, it is
being corrected and when the new version is released you will all be
informed. As for the Gnolls thats is a problem that we never encountered
here. Best Wishes, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 202       Thu Dec 28, 1989
CRUSHER                      at 21:20 EST

   Slim, by chance have you had an opportunity to see any of the work on
the Amiga version of POR, and if so, could you compare it with the Mac
version?
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Message 203       Tue Jan 02, 1990
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 13:03 EST

To: Crusher, I have seen some of the graphics in Pool Amiga, and from what
I have seen it should equal if not better than the Mac version.
Naturally, all the graphics were color and detail was just as good.  We
still have a way to go before its ready to release. Best Wishes, Slim Jim
(SSI)
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Message 204       Wed Jan 03, 1990
A.GIOVETTI                   at 21:58 EST

What about a release date on ST POOL ...  We have about 70 advance
orders!!
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Message 205       Thu Jan 04, 1990
GM [Rick M.]                 at 09:53 EST

 DSACHS: See Slim Jim's note about on the 'sticky' sword, grin.

 CRUSHER: The review will, at the very least, be uploaded here, in the SSI
library, so you'll be able to see it.  I intend to play at least 30 hours
before starting the review (Evan Brooks recommended such, and I have to
agree with it; 30+ hours will give you a good feel for any game).

  Rick
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Message 206       Thu Jan 04, 1990
A.GIOVETTI                   at 20:04 EST

It is almost impossible to give a good review of a good piece of software
without finishing the game !!!!   Comments are requested and especially
thoser of the infamous SCORP (Well this is her board you know!!!!) Hi
scorp (HEHE).
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Message 207       Thu Jan 04, 1990
SCORPIA                      at 20:21 EST

When a complex, long-term game such as this is involved, I don't see how
an accurate review can be written if the game isn't finished. Should there
be some problem or bug near or at the end, buyers of the game wouldn't
know about it until too late. There may be occasions where deadlines force
a review before the game is done, but those ought to be infrequent.

          Best,
           - Scorpia
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Message 208       Thu Jan 04, 1990
M.DAVISIII [Overlord]        at 23:09 MST

Well I just ran into the +1/+3 two handed sword bug. Could someone re-say
how/when I can/can't use it; as Well as selling and dropping it. Whenever
we try to arm it it just arms the weapon/item below it (including the LG
long sword held by our thief)!!!!!!
                                        Overlord p.s. We still have the
Ice Gnoll problem, when the game freezes as a gnoll  attacks us! (like the
term?) Also in the graveyard, sometimes we have the  area map, and
sometimes we don't. Why is that?

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Well I am using PoR on a Mac.
                                        Overlord (no threads here)
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Message 216       Sat Jan 13, 1990
A.GIOVETTI                   at 16:05 EST

SCORPIA::

Concering your reply and comment about the desirability (sp?) of finishing
a game before writing a review on it??!!

I always knew you were smart, but your on-target comment and generally and
specifically correct response proves it!!!  (of course this has nothing to
do with the fact that you agree with my opinion!!!!---not at all)
(HEHEHEHE)  Right on Scorp and thanks again--for being here!!
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Message 217       Tue Jan 16, 1990
AGNARI                       at 05:10 CST

Still struggling through this horrid user interface (key use) and have
accomplished quite a bit.  Need to know how one gets to the temple of Bane
area? from the JE it would appear to be accessable from the outside but
how does one find it??  Also there are several blocked off areas that in
the Well of Kuto and Cadorna's Textile I can't reach (and that darn
treasure the Jr Council dicussed is probably in a door less area.  Any
suggestions on how to reach it - from the text it looks like the knock
spell would work but that apparently is only good for combat, not for
beating on walls{in the IBM version at least}.
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Message 218       Tue Jan 16, 1990
SCORPIA                      at 10:41 EST

Ag, you can't use the knock spell in combat since it only opens doors. I
used it a number of times when exploring to do that. The spell doesn't, of
course, open doors that don't exist (grin). Anyway, I will dig out the
manual and take a look at the map, which might refresh my memory on how to
reach the temple.

            Best,
             - Scorpia
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Message 219       Tue Jan 16, 1990
SSI.SUPPORT                  at 12:30 EST

To Agnari: To get to the Temple of Bane, you need to leave the town by way
of the  docks.  Then go to the North side of the bay and you will be in
the wilder wilderness, from here you go thru the wealthy area.  There
should be 2 exits heading west into the Temple area (0,4 & 0,11).  The
secret  treasure can only be found if you have Skullcrusher in your party
and it is located in the SE area of the Codorna Textile house, behind a
secret door.  Good Luck, Slim Jim (SSI)
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Message 220       Tue Jan 16, 1990
S.SCHUSTER3 [Sam]            at 19:04 EST

How do I get my Cleric to use the 7th level Restoration on a scroll? Also,
is this a revive dead spell, I wish the doc's were more specific about
these things.

        Thanks,
          --Sam

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Message 221       Tue Jan 16, 1990
AGNARI                       at 18:30 CST

 Who or what is skullcrusher?  I released junior's flunky from the chains
but as I was already carrying 2 NPCs he couldn't join up - sure hope he
wasn't Crusher.  I suspect the secret treasure to be in the that "T"
shaped area in the lower right (SE) section of the Textile grid but as yet
I haven't found a way to get it - sure hope the flunky wasn't Crusher
(have seen signs about him being here) as I don't know how to find/let him
join.  Also curious about the thieves well(???) in this  grid. Have a lvl
5 or 6 thief and I can't climb down - time I tried she took 69 hp of
damage (good thing she started in tiptop health) and some bozo at the
bottom pointed to his ring - suspect this means she needs a ring of
somekind before being successful.  Is that the silver ring I found who
knows where?

While I have everyone's attention, could you explain the significance of
that silly statue I picked up when the priestess was killed - do I need to
lug it around is it useful should I sell it or just pitch it out?

Besides the horendous key arrangement, I really really hate not having a
bank to drop off money/gems till needed later!  Also not big on my list is
the fact you can't sell junk to the merchant and then have him like sell
it back at twice the price - thus being an expansive storage locker for
items I don't need now but might in the future and don't want to burden
down the char by lugging the junk around till/when/if it's needed. (BTW
the horrendous key arrangement I am referring to is that the only  way to
cycle through the char list (or usually any list) it to repeated ly
hitting the "1" key - I have seen that in a few (1, but cannt remember
which menu) that a "2" will take you back to the top of the characters.

Ok, thanks Scorpia & Slim Jim for the help.
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Message 222       Tue Jan 16, 1990
AGNARI                       at 22:47 CST

 Alert the media, I found the hidden door - darn complete auto mapping.
 Add too much auto mapping to my list of suggested improvements - take
 alook at M&M II where it maps once you step on that square vice seening
 the complete layout as you enter {additionally doors and openings would
 really enhance the mapping feature but then only as I walk past and
 physically observe the door/opening}.

 So possibly you don't need Skullcrusher to get into the hidden treasure
 trove - and those weenies in town took it before I could open it {guess
 I should have tried my luck at breaking the seal}.

 A short question about Podol Plaza, I killed that loud mouth in the bar
 and then totalled it {looked like it had been totaled by professionals
 - really liked that touch :} - sure hope I didn't need to talk to him.

 So my questions remain  1) what about the thieves well in Cadorna Textile
 and I think I am going outside.  2) you say the north shore for the
Wealth
 /T of Bane area - tried the east shore last night as from the map it
 appeared as the most likely path. and 3) ARRRRRRGGGH I hate Ultima type
 overhead projections - this outdoors area is ....something unprintable.

Thanks
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Message 223       Tue Jan 16, 1990
AGNARI                       at 23:43 CST

 Ok found the way to the other areas - its not the north boat as
 the options are East West Bay and None or (E W B N) and the thieves
 area along with the Wealth and T of Bane is achieved by taking a
 boat cruise to the Bay option (oh yes before a stickler points out
 you also still have the option to the thorn Island & Sokol Keep).

Back soon with more questions - don't you just hate it when somebody has
the WHOLE week off and is playing games 24hours a day (less 5 or so hours
for sleeping and coke/pizza runs ;)
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Message 224       Wed Jan 17, 1990
AGNARI                       at 07:39 CST

 Guess who ;)

Promise I going to bed soon!  Well the thieves area has been cleared and
have been about everywhere but 3 squares in the Wealth - and have killed a
ton of monsters!  Cann't find a door to the 3 long 1 wide room in the SE
section of the mansion.  Any clues on how to get in there?

And add another sour grapes.  I came thru a room that mentioned some-
thing about goblin slaves kill (Y/N) and as I hit Y I realised they might
not have been GOBLIN slaves but slaves of the GOBLINs hope I didnt loose
too much favor/exp/treasure for not freeing them - they were probably
wretchs anyway, yeah thats it it was a mercy killing.
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Message 225       Wed Jan 17, 1990
SCORPIA                      at 11:25 EST

To answer someone's question that got buried in the Agalanche (grin), the
Restoration spell restores levels lost to level-draining monsters. One
spell restores one lost level.

           Best,
            - Scorpia